Curse

MSecorsky · Aug 26, 2005, 03:30 PM // 15:30

PvPing... Fragility pops up, my ranger crumples and dies. Went from full health to dead in secs.

NERF Fragility!

Or tell me how to survive it...

Seriously, first time faced that. Devastating.

nailz · Aug 26, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

just start complaining about it...convince the vocal majority of forums(read vocal minority of the game) to believe you and get them to bitch about it...eventually arenanet will wash your balls too

Jenosavel · Aug 26, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

^_~ I haven't played against it myself, but knowing someone who's worked with the build for a while (went back to his previous mesmer build 'cause he liked it more though) here's one suggestion: hex removal. As long as that Fragility hex is up, they'll condition and de-condition you to death. lol

Mithie · Aug 26, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

PvPing... Fragility pops up, my ranger crumples and dies. Went from full health to dead in secs.

NERF Fragility!

Or tell me how to survive it...

Seriously, first time faced that. Devastating.

Remove hex/convert hex are your friends

A decent monk should be able to prevent any fragility build from being a serious hinderance. Are you using Teamspeak or Ventrilo? If so, just scream into your microphone "I HAVE FRAGILITY ON ME!!!" the split second you're hit with it so the monk can get rid of it for you. Otherwise, just call it in game and a decent monk should be able to get rid of it before the nasty chain reaction occurs.

film · Aug 26, 2005, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

PvPing... Fragility pops up, my ranger crumples and dies. Went from full health to dead in secs.

NERF Fragility!

Or tell me how to survive it...

Seriously, first time faced that. Devastating.

all it takes is one hexbreaker or one mendailment at the right time and the fragality build is completely useless. i suggest you do some homework before whining

MSecorsky · Aug 26, 2005, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Mithie

Remove hex/convert hex are your friends

A decent monk should be able to prevent any fragility build from being a serious hinderance. Are you using Teamspeak or Ventrilo? If so, just scream into your microphone "I HAVE FRAGILITY ON ME!!!" the split second you're hit with it so the monk can get rid of it for you. Otherwise, just call it in game and a decent monk should be able to get rid of it before the nasty chain reaction occurs.

Hmm, gotcha. So is there a way for a R/N to self-hex remove? Seems the necro hex removals are for targeting others, not self.

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Originally Posted by film

all it takes is one hexbreaker or one mendailment at the right time and the fragality build is completely useless. i suggest you do some homework before whining

Not whining, Sparky. Quest for knowledge. The NERF part was meant to be a joke. I don't want it nerfed, just want to know how to survive.

But thank you for your constructive and ever so kind input.

film · Aug 26, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Hmm, gotcha. So is there a way for a R/N to self-hex remove? Seems the necro hex removals are for targeting others, not self.

just hit plague sending after he shatters phantom pain... and his chain will be broken as well as his template

Mithie · Aug 26, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by film

all it takes is one hexbreaker or one mendailment at the right time and the fragality build is completely useless. i suggest you do some homework before whining

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Anyhoo, there are definitely tell-tale signs against a fragility chain reaction. If you notice your team getting hit hard by conditions all the time, then 90% of the time, one of them is bound to carry fragility, most likely multiple copies of it too, so just be on the lookout for it. A nasty cousin of fragility which you should also lookout for is Mark of Rodgort. As soon as you see it cast on you, make sure you let your monk know FAST, preferably before they have a chance to slam a covering hex or swamp you with conditions of all sorts.

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Hmm, gotcha. So is there a way for a R/N to self-hex remove? Seems the necro hex removals are for targeting others, not self.

Don't bother. The most you should do is cast antidote signet or plague touch, and let your monk worry about getting rid of it rather than wasting your precious tempo and stop doing what you're doing to do something which your monk is much much better at. Besides, once the conditions are piled up on you, even if you get rid of them it'll hurt. Much easier to just let your monk deal with the hex itself.

Diomedes · Aug 26, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Besides, once the conditions are piled up on you, even if you get rid of them it'll hurt. Much easier to just let your monk deal with the hex itself.

Yup. Since fragility spikes even when you recover from conditions (a fact that I've been messing with here and there) it's best to just nail the hex. And there are tons of great hex removals out there.

-Diomedes

Mysterial · Aug 26, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

While it isn't that hard to counter, I do think Fragility is broken - it deals damage even if you inflict the same condition the target already has over and over, making Fragility like a super Conjure Flame for Rangers and their condition attacks.

Mithie · Aug 26, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Mysterial

While it isn't that hard to counter, I do think Fragility is broken - it deals damage even if you inflict the same condition the target already has over and over, making Fragility like a super Conjure Flame for Rangers and their condition attacks.

Fragility can easily overwhelm an unprepared team, but then so can pretty much anything. If you pay attention to the signs of an oncoming fragility frenzy, and be ready for it, it shouldn't be TOO much of a problem.

Diomedes · Aug 26, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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you pay attention to the signs of an oncoming fragility frenzy, and be ready for it, it shouldn't be TOO much of a problem.

Such as fragility being cast on you

It's like when you get hit with a mind wrack, you know that ppl are about to zap your energy

-Diomedes

Mithie · Aug 26, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Diomedes

Such as fragility being cast on you

It's like when you get hit with a mind wrack, you know that ppl are about to zap your energy

-Diomedes

Haha, which brings up a small quirk I have with my PUGGED teammates on teamspeak when I play a monk. All of a sudden I'd always hear "I HAVE FRAGILITY ON ME!!" and I have no idea who "I" is because I can't distinguish one voice from another.

Phades · Aug 26, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Purple arrow followed by brown arrow, it should be easy to notice on the team bar.

Diomedes · Aug 26, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Haha, which brings up a small quirk I have with my PUGGED teammates on teamspeak when I play a monk. All of a sudden I'd always hear "I HAVE FRAGILITY ON ME!!" and I have no idea who "I" is because I can't distinguish one voice from another.

Yeah, you know, I've got friends who I've gamed with for years and whose voices I know by heart, but sometimes in PvP when I hear "I have ___" I still need to stop and think about who that is and what their character name is to fix it. The way is to just call your party number, "3 has fragility on him!" It takes a while to get used to, but it's much better IMO.

-Diomedes

Tactical-Dillusions · Aug 26, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Since when do monks carry hex removal in Arena? Most monks i find are either smiters or dead within 30 seconds....sometimes both.

I find it much easier to give those casters a dose of choking gas and watch them squeal.
Hex me now biatch!!

BeatWolf · Aug 26, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

I dont get how they put all the conditions on you after they cast Fragility what skill is it where they put all those conditions on u?? arg i hate it, epesially when ur a poor Warrior and have no chance.

Mithie · Aug 26, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by BeatWolf

I dont get how they put all the conditions on you after they cast Fragility what skill is it where they put all those conditions on u?? arg i hate it, epesially when ur a poor Warrior and have no chance.

If you run a build where you pile on condition skills like melan's arrows, pin down, virulence, mark of rod, immolation, tainted flesh on your team, and one mesmer calls fragility on one poor bastard, and everyone uses their condition attacks on that one poor guy, you can easily cause massive amounts of damage.

Phades · Aug 26, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Funny how fragility can work that way, but soul barbs can't, due to cast and aftercast times.

Diomedes · Aug 26, 2005, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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I dont get how they put all the conditions on you after they cast Fragility what skill is it where they put all those conditions on u?? arg i hate it, epesially when ur a poor Warrior and have no chance.

Depends on their secondary. If it's Me/N, then they're probably using virulence (or at least, that's what I tend to use). They just need to get one condition on you first (which if you're using phantom pain + shatter, you've got).

-Diomedes